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Good thoughts here. It is kinda weird that Ben almost seems like he's temporarily boycotting Luke. "Aint gonna help, wouldn't be prudent." And I agree that at least part of it can be explained by the fact that Luke is dancing with the dark side. I think that the thought is that Luke is doing this WAY too quick, and doing too much on his own, so that only a very strong/pure mind could possibly resist the temptations of the darkside. I agree with Campbell's post somewhere else, that Luke's Dagobah training seems quick, but that the Millenium Falcon's trek to the Lando System probably took longer than it seems. I have to rewatch Empire, but I'm thinking that this was kind of a tiny movie-making "blunder", that they didn't do a good job of conveying the passage of time. Or, maybe they did, but it disrupted the flow of the movie so much, that they opted for the least-worse of possible moviemaking alternatives. We all probably know that movies really are a flow of emotions, so, unlike books, alot of scenes seem more out of place if they don't fit in to the emotional roll of the audience. Empire is a great movie, but I'm one of the rare folk that like ROTJ better. I like the resolution, I like the adventurous, positive nature of Jedi. It was a nice relief from the depressing darkness of Empire. And the orig Star Wars film is my favorite scifi movie of alltime.

I guess the answer may be "yes, definitely." That would make Luke like the typical Tom Cruise character, or Rocky Balboa type character. We all know this formula as the kid outta nowhere who's got more raw talent than any other person ever. Alot of us, myself included, probably had some kind of childhood fantasy like this. And the talk about Luke at the bottom of Bespin reminds me that he had just travelled through what can only be considered as the city's intestines. He was stuck there as an irritation on the butthole of the city, just as if he were ... hemorhoids. I still am not sure why Lucas kept returning to this theme.

Yeah, I think you guys have Empire pegged down very well.

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