Shmi died in Anakin's presence. What made her die at this time? I believe Sidious was related to this event, that perhaps her body would have given out long before but he willed her to stay alive until Anakin sensed and found her. -Campbell
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Posts: 6068 Sun, Jan 1, 2006 12:29 AM Consul - Orlando System
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RogueScribner |
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Posts: 1278 Sun, Jan 1, 2006 1:08 AM
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To quote the Church Lady:
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DarthCaves |
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Posts: 378 Sun, Jan 1, 2006 1:53 AM
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I could see that as happening sabacc. Sidious would have wanted Anakin to see her die to help fuel his anger. As he tells him, it gives him focus. That was just one link a long chain of events to lead to the birth of Vader. Good observation Sabacc. I never looked at it that way .
Later, Walt IF you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny
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sabacc72 |
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Posts: 6068 Sun, Jan 1, 2006 6:08 AM Consul - Orlando System
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In the bustling Outlander Club, Zam Wessell tries to sneak up on Obi-Wan. What was her strategy here? The only thing I can figure was that she was hoping to use him as a hostage. She knows two Jedi are after her so what could she get out of ambushing Obi-Wan with Anakin lurking about. I'm just curious about her motive. -Campbell
ps- I chose to watch this episode tonight with the roll of a standard die. I got a two. That's reason enough for me for Lucas to stop making SW movies.  Anyhow, I'm really glad I did. The thinking among fans of late seems to be very down on AotC, but like all the other episodes it has plenty of indispensable SW moments. |
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Eofer Draijonsai |
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Posts: 834 Sun, Jan 1, 2006 6:42 AM
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I think that is a very plausible explaination......Since I've kinda touched on another subject with this, well actually Campbell did this one on the RotJ thread.....
I think we all know the story that it was Sidious who may have been responsible for Anakin's conception which is becoming ever more plausible with me..... For what reasons would Sidious have chosen a particular women to carry that child. I think he would have chosen someone somewhat force sensitive and could understand and nuture Anakin's early sensitivity until he was discovered by the Jedi. This could have only helped to further boost the midichlorian count of the baby as well.....so if Shmi was also slightly force sensitive then Sidious would have used this in his favor knowing Anakin would be even more likely to sense her pain. And as strongly as he felt hers she may have felt something of his awareness and his suffering. That Shmi's death seemed to be slow (severe abuse then starvation and dehydration), She may have held on because she felt the connection, that she had time for him to come. Besides Shmi seemed to be one of those incredibly strong frontier type women so her natural reserves of strength were probably phenomenal anyways, which Sidious would have used in his favor. Also because Anakin felt his mother's suffering as it was happening and he felt Padme's suffering as a premonition that maybe they were a fraction sensitive to the force. The two great loves of Anakin's life suffering and dying, how much easier could it have been for Sidious to manipulate Anakin not because he could just sense their suffering but they were helping by projecting their need for him. As Walt said, "Sidious would have wanted Anakin to see her die to help fuel his anger." As well as Padme to fulfill his anger. Maybe this was also a way for Lucas to show Anakin's progession in his abilities with the force, he no longer just felt immediate disturbances but was beginning to see the future but again I digress and jump into RotS. Obviously in the SWU and EU the entire family is force sensitive.....why not start with Mom and "Dad"......Shmi and Sidious. |
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Eofer Draijonsai |
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Posts: 834 Sun, Jan 1, 2006 7:13 AM
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by the way......sorry for the long posts......once I get going there's no one to stop the stream of thought......okay flood
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sabacc72 |
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Posts: 6068 Sun, Jan 1, 2006 5:13 PM Consul - Orlando System
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No worries on the lengthy, thoughtful post. While community is my main interest among my OS friends, the Force that brought us together was a love of the Saga. It's gratifying and justifies our love for the stories to intellectually explore. With Lucas as architect and the unique mastercraftspeople surrounding him, Star Wars has a depth unsurpassed in science fiction. This same multiplane reality of the movies allows the EU and fans in general with a thousand points from which to jump. Considering and debating these only improves the experience.
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sabacc72 |
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Posts: 6068 Tue, Jan 17, 2006 6:45 PM Consul - Orlando System
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Russ (in the Visual Aesthetics thread):
Quote: Artoo's flying is representative of the different style of movie Lucas is making these days. By Attack of the Clones, the astromech appears rubbery when he slams into a wall or leaps from a starfighter. It reminds me of the old Droids cartoon. It was a surprise to many, but Artoo was slated to fly in Phantom Menace (a scene cut from Coruscant) so some of us were already used to the idea. -Someone should write a lengthy article about the OT and Herbie, The Love Bug compared to the PT and Herbie: Fully Loaded.- In the context of the stories I've accepted Artoo being light on his feet. He began as a sophisticated droid for the House of Naboo. When R2 and his comrade astromechs ventured onto the Queen's Royal Starship hull he may have used a setting of his anti-grav boosters to stay attached. These could be used in conjunction with directional rockets for flight. A decade later he was reunited with Anakin who was a mechanical wizard that likely would spend time tinkering and improving R2. The first time he was without regular high-end servicing would be during the Clone Wars. Beyond that it's difficult to tell how well the Aldaraanians were able to keep him fixed as the Empire's grip tightened. |
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Eofer Draijonsai |
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Posts: 834 Wed, Jan 18, 2006 5:37 AM
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Okay I'll accept that......I will have to remember the time difference in PT to OT and anything may have occurred to R2 that his boosters were removed or just not functional. I know R2 has always gone above and beyond his call of duty and has been equipped with many functions beyond just being a mechanic droid.
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Posts: 1278 Wed, Jan 18, 2006 2:46 PM
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A rather minor complaint, but still a complaint:
I never really felt that the droids were ever part of the adventure in the PT. Artoo had some moments here and there, but Threepio by and large was simply a non-entity. They were shoehorned into the trilogy and just as well could have been introduced in ROTS with nothing lost. |
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Posts: 694 Thu, Jan 19, 2006 7:56 PM
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Mike - I'm glad you said it before me. I actually think the placement of R2 and 3PO served as nothing more than fodder for more toy sales and kiddie recognition.
I'm not big on 3PO on the OT either, as I always thought he was a little too gay for me (not that there's anything wrong with that - Seinfeld). However, his annoying bantering in the PT is worse than anything ever uttered by Jar Jar. I would take Jar Jar any day over the stupid lines in AOTC. |
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Posts: 1278 Fri, Jan 20, 2006 12:17 AM
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Threepio is completely beside himself.
I don't mind the fact that our friendly droids were in the PT. Lucas has always maintained that they would be the only real link between the two trilogies (seeing as how young Obi and young Anakin would be considerably different characters, I guess). The original intent behind the characters was to see this big galactic conflict through the eyes of people (droids) on the sidelines, not really in the action. It worked for the most part in the OT (though outside of a few choice scenes on Tatooine and Endor, Artoo and Threepio were kinda lost in the shuffle in ROTJ), but in the PT they were an odd fit. Especially Threepio. Artoo was okay in TPM, pretty much window dressing in AOTC, and in the beginning had a little to do in ROTS, but that's it. Threepio was naked in TPM, retarded in AOTC, and barely there in ROTS. I just wish they were integrated a bit better or not used at all. |
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Posts: 6068 Fri, Jan 20, 2006 12:59 AM Consul - Orlando System
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At Star Wars Weekends you get a chance to ask questions of the celebrities when they are in an interview setting. When Anthony Daniels was there I got a chance to ask him how he felt about his lines in the second half of AotC. He diplomatically said that he was glad he hadn't written them and changed the subject. It was clear he didn't approve much more than we did. I'd take a lot of his part (including the Droid Factory hijunks) out of that section of the saga as fast as I'd pare Jar Jar's lines from Episode I.
I wholly agree with Mike's thoughts on Lucas's inclusion of the droids. The Maker always liked their peon status. Funny to consider 3PO wedged into RotJ- it was the first movie where he actually got employeed as a Protocol Droid. |
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Posts: 694 Fri, Jan 20, 2006 6:10 PM
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It is fairly annoying that these boards don't have some of the basic functionality that other boards do. So not user friendly...but, I digress.
Mike referenced R2 above in TPM and I had to add another comment. I cannot stand when the droids go on the wing of the ship to make repairs. I'm sorry...but at the speed a starship is supposed to be moving coupled with the weight of a droid would never allow for the droid to stay stationary. I know you have to suspend disbelief, but to me, when I see that scene, I cringe. Total bullshit. |
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sabacc72 |
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Posts: 6068 Fri, Jan 20, 2006 10:54 PM Consul - Orlando System
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I'm curious what functionality you are missing but it might be better discussed here.
I'm not a physicist, but in microgravity (or less) and the vacuum of space would weight and speed have any bearing on droids on the hull? |
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sabacc72 |
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Posts: 6068 Sun, Mar 19, 2006 8:40 AM Consul - Orlando System
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StarWars.com currently asks the provacative question,
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Posts: 1278 Sun, Mar 19, 2006 6:19 PM
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I'm inclined to say no, but he took advantage of her abduction in a big way. Her death is what put Anakin on his path for power, but if the Jedi weren't so dismissive of Anakin's dreams, he could possibly have saved her.
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Posts: 365 Tue, Mar 21, 2006 8:57 AM
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That's an interesting question that I had not thought of before.... I think its certainly a possiblity. If Sidious was able to impregnate Shmi... he could do this too...
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sabacc72 |
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Posts: 6068 Mon, Jun 19, 2006 3:07 AM Consul - Orlando System
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I like the idea. If Yoda could watch Luke for years on Tatooine, I think that Sidious could influence Tuskens, and maybe even Shmi, with a flick of his thought. I don't know Raider psychology, but it seems unusual that a domestically-inclined clan would hold a farmer's wife for torture.
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sabacc72 |
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Posts: 6068 Fri, Jun 29, 2007 11:46 PM Consul - Orlando System
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Here's a repost of a post I made about the last day of Star Wars Weekends this year,
Quote: Honestly, I really wish we'd seen this scene. Now, I've not watched the movie trying to find a spot for this in the rhythm, but I remember the webdoc where Anthony Daniels spoke about wearing the harness of the golden droid's innards and was anticipating the scene before the movie was released. The 2-3 minute doc was hosted by Ahmed Best, did not make the DVD, and appears to be missing from the Official Site these days. I was intrigued because another actor played the skeletal embodiment of Threepio in Episode I (Daniels did the voice and was on set during their scenes), and by Episode II the character had the time to have developed the typical protocol droid movements with which we're all so familiar. And I'd also like to see the techdome (Lars garage) construction of Threepio to avoid the poor greenscreen effect where grey-3PO introduces himself to Anakin. Wow, that looked like it was something from the 80s. Yick. horrible greenscreen work. EDIT: fixed a typo. |
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Posts: 717 Sat, Jun 30, 2007 3:25 PM Sith Apprentice |
Was it really that good?
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