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sabacc72 |
The Phantom Menace |
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As we announced on the roguezeppo board, the e1 Yoda was digitally redone by Rob Coleman and crew as a test for the technique's use for e2. A snippet of one of the scenes can be found on the e3 feature, "The Chosen One" at about 5 minutes in during his "Fear is the path to the dark side" line. I, for one, am really glad to bury the puppet Yoda from TPM. That stuck out more than Jar Jar for me. -Campbell
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DarthCaves |
Re: The Phantom Menace | #1 | ||
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I read an interview with McCallum where someone asked him if they would digitized Yoda in ESB and ROTJ. He said never, never, never. I am glad of that. But I figured that they wouldn't do that. It would be blasphemy (sp?).
Later, Walt IF you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny
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sabacc72 |
Han Shot First! | #2 | ||
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It was actually Rob Coleman during the press rollout for the RotS DVD.
From my experience there's no such thing as "Never" in the Lucasfilm Universe. |
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sabacc72 |
Master and Servant | #3 | ||
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What do you think of the names of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon? Does anyone recall the similarity of these names being explained in-universe? Are these honorific in some way or were Kenobi and Jinn from the same heritage somehow? I wonder if their siblings had hyphenated names.
Did you know Qui-Gon is very similar to the 'word' qi gong? Qi Gong is typically defined as meditative breathing and sometimes moving. The perfect example to my mind is Qui-Gon's pause in battling Darth Maul when the energy shield is raised. Instead of stalking like a caged animal, Qui-Gon uses the battle's respite to recharge and re-center. Because of this connection I assumed, along with many others back in the late 90s, that Qui-Gon would be pronounced /KEE-gun/, which I still prefer. I also was wondering if there's any connection, perhaps in the creativity of Lucas between the word podrace and the California baseball franchise (and Spanish religious leader name), Padres. |
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DarthCaves |
Re: Master and Servant | #4 | ||
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I am sure there is some connection with Qui-Gon's name and what it Qi Gong means. I see your point, I just finished TPM yesterday and I noticed how Qui-Gon was just meditating and Maul was pacing back and forth, no patience. Another example of play on words with names is Count Dooku, Dooku mean poison in Japanese.
Walt If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny.
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DarthCaves |
Re: Master and Servant | #5 | ||
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I pulled a SW marathon today. I watched TPM, ATOTC, CW Vol. I&II, and ROTS. I did not pick up on how even in TPM, you can see hints of Sidious in Palpatine. Whenever the Queen asks for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum, Palpy says to the Queen, some to the effect, now we can get a new Chancellor, a stong chancellor. The way he says strong, you could pick up on his Emperor side.
Walt If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny.
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sabacc72 |
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There is also the slightest smile, almost a pre-smile, on Palpatine's face when he's "sorry" to hear that Queen Amidala has decided to return to Naboo. As I recall, the novel, which sorely disappointed me, made a clear distinction between Sidious and Palpatine. I took this to mean that there was a sincere doubt that they were a single man. I thought perhaps he was schizophrenic, or had a clone or twin. Now it just seems Lucas didn't let Tery Brooks in on his plotline.
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DarthCaves |
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I agree. The novelizations of AOTC and ROTS are much better books than TPM. I think stover did a great job. Even for someone that is not into SW like we are, could read it and enjoy it.
Speaking of novels, I read through one of the SW.com emails taht I am signed up for that T. Zahn has a new book coming out called Alliegence (sp?) that deals with the events between ANH and ESB. I focuses on Luke training more and Mara being the Emperor's Hand. Sounds like it could be promising. I want to get Outbound Flight as well. Walt If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny.
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RogueScribner |
Re: The Phantom Menace | #8 | ||
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Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
So I watched this film for the first time in a long time. I purposely avoided watching any of the Star Wars films for a long while just so I can approach the saga as fresh as possible. My intent is to take these films for what they are with as little bias as I can reasonably have. Away with the hype, the gushing, the negativity, the merchandising, and hysteria. It's just me and the films, baby. Thus, here is my reaction to The Phantom Menace, the first chapter in this six-episode saga. The opening crawl speaks of trade routes and politics, not exactly the stuff of a grand adventure. The music is way more exciting than the text on the screen. Luckily, we are quickly introduced to our illustrious Jedi heroes: Qui-Gon Jinn, master Jedi, and Obi-Wan Kenobi, apprentice Jedi. They were sent to settle a dispute between the Trade Federation and the people of Naboo, who are currently being blockaded by the Neimoidians. The viceroy receives a communication from Darth Sidious to invade Naboo and kill the Jedi. Hey, this is exciting. Forget trade disputes and politics; here's some action! The Jedi sense the danger and make a quick escape to the planet below. Here they encounter a native Gungan, Jar Jar Binks, who is as clumsy as he is stupid. Jar Jar, I'm afraid to say, is by far the weakest link in this film. His antics would only entertain a 5 year old and I found him more distracting than endearing. To make things even worse, I couldn't understand half of what he was saying. Then again, maybe that was a good thing. Jar Jar escorts the Jedi to the Queen's palace where they destroy some droids and rescue the princess, er, I mean Queen. In an effort to enlist the aid of the Republic Senate, they blast away in her ship and attempt to get past the Trade Federation's blockade. Their ship is damaged in the escape and they are forced to land on a remote desert planet, Tatooine. Here the movie slows down a bit as we are acquainted with a young slave boy Anakin and his efforts to aid these colorful strangers. Anakin is precocious to be sure. The scene where Anakin asks Padm if she's an angel is awkwardly acted and written. I suppose it's meant to serve as a meaningful cute-meet between these two future lovers, but at best it comes across as uncomfortable and at worst creepy. Luckily, we don't have to suffer too long before things get moving again. Of course I'm referring to the pod race which, while it takes up nearly 20 minutes of the movie, is quite an action set piece. Anakin wins the race, the Queen fixes her ship, and Qui-Gon whisks the preternaturally gifted young boy away to train as a Jedi Knight. On Coruscant things get a bit talky as Amidala pleads with the Senate for help and Qui-Gon pleads with the Jedi Council for compassion for Anakin, whom he believes to be the prophecized Chosen One (funny that we never here this prophecy, only that the Chosen One supposedly brings balance to the Force, whatever that means). They are both refuted and sent away back to Naboo. The Queen decides to make a last stand and rise up against the Trade Federation. She enlists the help of her Jedi companions and the Gungans. Ladies and gentleman. It's showtime! The Gungans fight valiantly against the droid army. The Queen and her cohorts fight against the palace guards. The Jedi fight against a Sith who really doesn't have much to do with anything. And Anakin saves the day by improbably flying into space and destroying the command ship. The intercutting of the action was quick and the battles were interesting to behold, but one is left wondering what most of it even meant in light of the results. Everyone could have waited for Anakin to destroy the command ship and easily taken back their city. I know, they didn't know he was flying around in space, but still. It's weird. Naboo is free, Qui-Gon is dead, and Anakin gets a haircut. Obi-Wan vows to train him as a Jedi Knight, Amidala becomes a spokesperson for Maybelline, and the newly elected Chancellor Palpatine plans to watch Anakin's career with great interest. And they lived happily ever after! Okay, so here's the deal. I had fun with this movie. Sure, it's not perfect, but it was fun despite some clunky dialogue and gratuitous action (this movie could have been about 15 minutes shorter easy). Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, and Ian McDiarmid all elevated their roles as written. Natalie Portman, Terence Stamp, Anthony Daniels, and Frank Oz were competent enough, but didn't add much dimension to their roles. I'm wary to criticize Jake Lloyd's performance because he was just a kid and not even a professional actor when this was cast. For the most part he gets by okay, but there are certain scenes that are cringe-worthy (the aforementioned "angel" scene and the "what's a midicholorian" scene (speaking of which, is it necessary to quantify the Force?)). If those were the best takes Lucas had to choose from, I'd hate to see what was rejected. Ahmed Best gave it a valiant effort, but Jar Jar was a big miscalculation. His speech impediment was annoying, not funny. His clumsiness was only good in small amounts and his stupidity was never good. His role should end here, but sadly, it doesn't. Will he be redeemed in the next film? Tune in to find out! The visual effects were topnotch for the most part (there was some goofy cgi here and there towards the end with the Jedi stunt doubles). Many of the sets were grand in scale and detail and the location shots added realism to this otherwise fantastic world. The action was plentiful but bloodless, the scenes were well paced, and the subtext was there if you were paying attention. This movie will not leave you with deep thoughts or emotional, but it's Star Wars, not Casablanca, so that's okay. Devoid of all the prerelease hype and the nonsense of the aftermath, this film holds up well. It's a simple adventure story with a carefully crafted subtext that's sure to pay off in the later films. Mr. Lucas has set the stage. With Attack of the Clones he should start the story. **** (out of a possible 5) |
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sabacc72 |
Nine years on. | #9 | ||
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TPM was released nine years ago today. Jar Jar and Darth Maul have been with us for nearly a decade!
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sabacc72 |
EPISODE of the Month! | #10 | ||
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The Phantom Menace is our Episode of the Month. Throughout 2009 I'd like to see some of us try to watch at least our Episode of the Month and come back
here with your thoughts. Month one will be Episode I and so forth. July we'll hopefully do it all over again, but we shall see. Maybe there will be a great
outcry to include the Ewok movies in this idea.
Anyhow, turn on and tune in. What do you think of TPM now that it's been out for a decade? |
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Very neat idea, Campbell! I think I'll watch Episode I either today or tomorrow.
President - Tampa Star Wars Club,
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Alright, well I didn't get to watch Episode I when I wanted to last week, but I did get a chance to watch it this evening.
Campbell's idea of watching an episode each month in conjunction with the year is just awesome. I made a point to not watch the main actors during this viewing. All my attention was focused on the background characters and the actual backgrounds for each location. The first thing I noticed were the two lights blinking on the wall just outside the waiting room that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are in. If you look as they are coming out of the room, on both sides of the door are two blinking lights. Nothing spectacular, but again, it was the first time I'd seen them because I wasn't focused on the two Jedi. Say what you want, but this movie is entertaining. I recalled the long day I had with my Dad waiting in line for the movie. We both took the day off from work and got in line at 11:00am prior to the midnight showing. We were the first two people in line by only two minutes. I had actually won two tickets off the local radio station for this midnight showing and I really didn't know what to expect. Back in 1999, there wasn't near the amount of information and accessibility online as there is today. I basically went into this movie having only seen a few previews which was actually very fun for me. I found myself immediately comparing certain characters to the OT as well as certain sounds. It felt like the movie was over in about thirty minutes which was disappointing, but when I began digesting everything I had just taken in and I started to realize what I had just witnessed for the last two hours and thirteen minutes, it hit me. There was no Luke. There was no Leia. There was no Darth Vader. Yet, somehow, even without all these characters that made the OT what it was, I was thrilled at what I had just seen and very much looking forward to learning about all these new characters. I'm still learning new things today when I watch the film or read things online and in books. Is it possible to know it all? I think so...and I've got the rest of my life to get it done. It's quarter to 1:00am, so my short review is done. I'm really looking forward to the February viewing of Episode II. President - Tampa Star Wars Club,
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sabacc72 |
random notes and impressions | #13 | ||
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I just watched The Phantom Menace for the first time in a long time. I look forward to thinking about the thing as a whole, but for now here
are some new notes. (Star Wars Is Forever because no matter how many times I watch it, there's more to see and think about.) More than anything I'm
impressed with how good the movie looks after a decade (Obi-Wan's morphing mullet notwithstanding). It's so bright and clear, very little about the
animation goes overboard from a visual standpoint.
My notes from this viewing: :34 Qui-Gon's fake smile at the end of his first dealing with Watto. Jedi smirk. One of my favorite moments. :43 Anakin hatches the plan to deceive Watto into believing Qui-Gon owns his podracer. This deceipt is consistant with his secret marriage to Padme. Anakin has probably developed this to survive as a slave and cultivates the trait under the tutelage of Kenobi's "certain point of view." :54 Anakin's (Lloyd's) look when Watto insults Qui-Gon for so much gambling matches his (Christensen's) expressions in later episodes. 1:12 In the same hour that Anakin was freed as a slave, he was told that he was to become a Jedi. Both are duties too big for a youngster. 2:01 FM: Kenobi vs. Maul: The most impressive lightsaber sequence in the Saga. The physicality of this entire duel between the Jedi and Maul really "strikes" me. From Qui-Gon backhanding Maul to Maul kicking in Obi-Wan in the face, this is a desperate fight. 2:04 Question: What did Obi-Wan do with Qui-Gon's lightsaber? Did he throw it in the pyre at the end of the movie or is there some specific backstory that answers this? 2:08 Yoda says of the Sith, "Always two there are. No more, no less." This is an example of the arrogance of Yoda and the Jedi. They are correct in this case, but having not seen the Sith in a millennium, no absolute should have been assumed. The Neimoidians accent took a lot of criticism at the time the movie came out for sounding like a Japanese parody. While their accent never struck me as anything bad, as an admitted apologist for technical confusions in the stories I have a reason why their accents may have changed in subsequent films and shows. The Neimoidians ran a huge trade consortium but only after the events of Episode I were they thrust into such a large role on the Galactic stage. This exposure to the Republic and the Confederacy may have led to the change in how their society used Basic. Can that be shot down? Yes. Is it worth this paragraph? Questionable. |
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I do remember some criticism of the Neimoidians accents at the time the movie came out, and your theory sounds good to me. Although I did not know the voices
changed in the other films. Of course the criticism of Jar Jar's voice was far greater. I remember finding him difficult to understand the first time I saw
the movie. Then later viewing or on the DVD he was easier to understand. I don't know if I got used to it or if they altered the sound in any way.
The Maul fight was great and like everyone else I wanted to see more of him ! I never liked the space battle at the end. I wish it wasn't the young Anakin in the Naboo fighter - but what other character would you put in there? I need to watch this again now myself. |
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sabacc72 |
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Definitely watch it again soon. Not only is it good to revisit, but it's the 10th Anniversary. My, how time flies.
"Spinning? That's a good trick!" Yes, Anakin in the cockpit may have bothered others, but I really don't have a problem with it. Obi-Wan said to Luke, "when I first met your father he was already a great starfighter pilot." That scene was justifying Obi-Wan's claim. I've mentioned this some places before, but that scene satisfied me after I read the novelization. It said that Anakin fired his missiles in the Droid Control Ship because the Force told him to do so. He didn't know exactly what he was aiming for. On the other hand, you can make a good argument that one should not design a ship with a main reactor connected to the landing bays. |
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Fett 526 |
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Yes I know it is not the month for Phantom Menace but I couldn't help but not watch it today
Formerly Khelden Nur. Still Tony tho :P
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sabacc72 |
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Understandable. Far be it from me to hold you back, brother. Did you see anything new this viewing?
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Fett 526 |
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Not really. It seems I have to make an effort to start looking around the scenes, otherwise I just watch the movie as is. This weekend I will tho.
Formerly Khelden Nur. Still Tony tho :P
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JGordon24 |
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Just a few days left to watch July's movie of the month!
Let's see if we can get more than three people to do this for the second half of 2009, eh? Always enjoy watching any Star Wars movie, so my July viewing of Episode I was no exception. I was watching it with Courtney, so I wasn't as attentive as I would have been watching it alone. I did realize that I really want to get Pernilla August's autograph on an 11x14 quite a bit after the movie was over. President - Tampa Star Wars Club,
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kyzman |
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This may be the greatest review of all time for TPM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI It's 70 minutes long, but pretty much sums up all of my distaste for the movie. I actually liked the review a lot more than the actual film. |
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